Posts by Band on the Run

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Ferguson Shooting (Is my thinking on this all wrong.......)

by out4good3 in

i think everyone here can agree that walking down the street, even in the middle of the street, is not cause for having a clip emptied in your ass......... i can understand how the black community would be outraged by the injustice of seeing another black man dead in the street at the hands of the police under mysterious circumstances....... i hope that i'm not succumbing to the attempts to assinate the already well impuned character of the dead man...... however.

i can't help but think that this could all have been avoided by exercising the proper discretion with fore-knowledge of the disadvantages people of color have when they are dealing with law enforcement in the united states.

it is not as if this disadvantage has only since recently came to light.

Band on the Run

I was raised a Witness by parents whose families spent time in jail and prison. Nevertheless, despite some tension, I was told to obey the police. One can always file a civil rights complaint after the incident. Despite evolution, I was also taught to obey my teachers. The punishment at home for talking back would be far worse than punishment at school. When you stand before a judge, the judge can be very wrong but you keep your lip zipped. Lawyers don't have the resilience to go to jail for contempt. I had a cop clearly violate the law. If I could prove it, I would be far richer.

Sometimes I wonder if this country will ever heal from the remnants of slavery. Statistics prove racism in the criminal justice system.

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Torah keepers,

by Mikado in

has anyone ever met any members of this group?.

i met a lovely lady who was telling me all about it.. apparently everything in the bible is literal, and it rather disconcerted me just how much i rememberd if it all.. everytime i asked do you mean that everything is literally true, apparently it is so..... she is a genuineky sincere, well meaning lady, and had a lovely time telling me all about it!.

Band on the Run

The gospels are contradictory. Each has a different agenda. The Church fathers acknowledged discrepancies in express statements. John is very different th. an the synoptics in its Christology. The debate was whether to combine the four gospels and make it uniform so it could be used for universal worship. Acknowledging the discrepancies, the Church Father thought that discrepancies included, the four gospels should be used. A larger truth would be evident. Pretending the Bible is one uniform whole strips people of faith. Reading the text with no commentary shows it is not a magic book If one reads history texts, and understands the intended audience, faith may be increased. A literal, fundamentalist treatment strips one of faith.

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Torah keepers,

by Mikado in

has anyone ever met any members of this group?.

i met a lovely lady who was telling me all about it.. apparently everything in the bible is literal, and it rather disconcerted me just how much i rememberd if it all.. everytime i asked do you mean that everything is literally true, apparently it is so..... she is a genuineky sincere, well meaning lady, and had a lovely time telling me all about it!.

Band on the Run

Why should literal be the mindset when reading the Bible? Literal readings shatter belief. It is a gross book in many ways. The books contradict each other. The canonization process was as much a political process as a religious one. Read the holy books of other religions. Does Jesus not care about Asians?

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Ferguson Shooting (Is my thinking on this all wrong.......)

by out4good3 in

i think everyone here can agree that walking down the street, even in the middle of the street, is not cause for having a clip emptied in your ass......... i can understand how the black community would be outraged by the injustice of seeing another black man dead in the street at the hands of the police under mysterious circumstances....... i hope that i'm not succumbing to the attempts to assinate the already well impuned character of the dead man...... however.

i can't help but think that this could all have been avoided by exercising the proper discretion with fore-knowledge of the disadvantages people of color have when they are dealing with law enforcement in the united states.

it is not as if this disadvantage has only since recently came to light.

Band on the Run

Is is not a local matter. The facts available show that both state and federal civil rights laws need investigation. As the chief law enforcement officer, Holder has every right to go to Ferguson. Obama did not go. Holder faced racism as a teenager. Some cop stopped him as he was going about his lawful business.

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A Sphere is Not a Circle

by AK - Jeff in

this thread was inspired by the poster here with that moniker.

that name, for the first time in my life, caused me to think deeply about the scriptural real meaning of the phrase used in isaiah, often used by biblical defenders to show it's inspiration by god.. i googled the phrase, and among other hits, found this little blogspace with comments that echoed my thought on the matter.. http://www.youngausskeptics.com/2008/12/what-you-really-think-a-sphere-is-a-circle-you-really-think-that/.

found it interesting.. jeff.

Band on the Run

Dreadful translation of Job. Perhaps English is dying.

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How would you summarize the basic message of the Watchtower versus the Bible?

by Fernando in

for me personally:.

watchtower - don't sin, don't question, don't think, don't reason, don't leave, or god will kill you in hell the big a.. bible - all dysfunction aka the "bad news" has been legally defeated by the "good news".. (i believe we are therefore free to begin naturally and progressively transitioning from a primitive type-0 civilisation if and when we choose to and when consensus reaches critical mass.

we will become a more advanced type-1 civilisation in the next 100 years according to michio kaku in "physics of the future".).

Band on the Run

This is difficult for me. I associate the WTwith terror. Humans are no good. Destruction will come regardless of what you do. God is adversarial. The Bible is too large and the books too diverse to have a single them. The theme of the New Testament is the good news of Jesus who became the Christ. If you omit Revelation, the books are comforting. God is fully human, fully God.

I never read the Bible until I was twenty. All the jumping around the WT does.

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Anyone Else Havng Trouble Logging In Today?

by Joe Grundy in

or is it just me (again)?.

getting 'server not found' etc.

messages..

Band on the Run

I almost always have trouble logging on. Only one browser can be used. I don't have similar problems at other sites.

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A Kindlier More Gentle Jehovah?

by sparky1 in

"for you must not prostrate yourself to another god, because jehovah, whose name is jealous, he is a jealous god," exodus 34:14 nwt 1984 edition.

"you must not bow down to another god, for jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion.

yes, he is a god who requires exclusive devotion.

Band on the Run

Requiring exclusive devotion is not a normal English phrase. Jealous is a word that people use. Sometimes their word choice is odd just to be odd. It is cult like.

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Brother in law thinks I am a pagan Worshipper

by Yondaime in

last month i decided to attend the international convention at metlife since my sister's cong was invited so she took me along with my older brother.

my sister drove and my older brother sat in the front seat of her suv.

i was in the back seat with the greatest watchtower apologist/loser/eldermole in the universe my bil.. they were all chatting away about how this assembly filed with regurgitated spiritual stool was a sign of the last days since so many people would be in attendance.

Band on the Run

Well, I either laugh so hard at their beliefs or I get scared. I messed with my JW relatives b/c they loved me. They wanted me to have a good life. My college career was raised one time. My aunt wanted to know how long a ten page term paper was compared to a ministry school presentation. They could never endorse what I did. I expected complete shunning. They could not do simple business tasks. My aunt used to beg my mom to make telephone calls.

A KH concert with Imagine. Not my KH.

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Brother in law thinks I am a pagan Worshipper

by Yondaime in

last month i decided to attend the international convention at metlife since my sister's cong was invited so she took me along with my older brother.

my sister drove and my older brother sat in the front seat of her suv.

i was in the back seat with the greatest watchtower apologist/loser/eldermole in the universe my bil.. they were all chatting away about how this assembly filed with regurgitated spiritual stool was a sign of the last days since so many people would be in attendance.

Band on the Run

Well, I either laugh so hard at their beliefs or I get scared. I messed with my JW relatives b/c they loved me. They wanted me to have a good life. My college career was raised one time. My aunt wanted to know how long a ten page term paper was compared to a ministry school presentation. They could never endorse what I did. I expected complete shunning. They could not do simple business tasks. My aunt used to beg my mom to make telephone calls.

A KH concert with Imagine. Not my KH.